Trayvon Martin Discussion Part 3 – Blame and Excuses

This discussion is one part of a series of discussions continuously occurring with my college brothers. Please enjoy the discussion and add your comments.

MarcQus: Here is a related articled.

Why Black People Don’t Trust the Police

AP: Read this last night and I agree with it.

Solstar: #CoSign in the article

That’s the issue that I’m having with the cop shootings in Chicago. As much as we have good cops out there helping the streets you and I know there are some corrupt ones out here and usually if someone is shooting at the cops that must mean they are treating them at the same level as a street affiliate. It’s so much going on these days it’s hard to make sense of this crap. I’m not justifying police violence, but it’s amazing the spin they put on these dudes.

Solstar: Powerful:

President Obama commented on the Trayvon Martin case: “I have to be careful about my statements because the Attorney General reports to me…I cannot imagine what these parents are going through…and when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids. Every parent in America should understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together…to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened…All of us have to do some soul-searching to figure out how this happened…my main message is to the parents; if I had a son, he’d look like Treyvon……”

M.I.: Link to Obama comment:

AP: I think this follows up nicely to what Obama just said…

AP: Geraldo is a spaz that wants another big break, or someone to break his nose again. LOL! We know the truth about the story and for those that want to place blame on the victim they are just trying to stir up dissension or get readers and viewers to their work.  We saw the same tactic in NY when they shot and killed Sean Bell and in any story where a black man is unarmed and beat or shot up.  I read it to hear what they have to say, but I move on and focus on what I believe in.  That blaze article was the same, but because of it I learned about the stand your ground law.  Now I know that we have laws that allow cats to shoot and claim they were threatened.  It’s a bunch of crap and I pray we can eradicate laws like this because if you look it up there are plenty of stories where that law caused major controversy.

We need to just stay focused on getting justice for the Martin family.

Solstar: Agreed. This dude hasn’t had a day in jail. That’s judiciously irresponsible. If the law doesn’t do something then the stick up kids will do something. #HoodLaws

AP: Right, I wouldn’t be surprised if Zimmerman received the same treatment he gave to Trayvon and someone said they were intimidated.

M.I.: While I recognize that there are things we simply cannot do as black men and women in this country, I don’t think rocking a hoodie is one of those things that should be added to the list of what we have to teach our kids not to do. I’ve seen black kids with hoodies on all over this country; this is the first instance I’ve heard of that the hoodie got a kid killed. Every mall in America (heck even the Mall OF America)  I’ve gone to I see black kids walking around with hoodies on, not even the mall security cops follow them around. This is just another diversion tactic to take away from the fact that this man killed this boy in cold blood. There are at least 1,000 black men walking around Times Square on any given day with hoodies on, none of them have gotten shot.  A hoodie in the Bronx at 9pm is different than a hoodie in broad daylight in a gated community in Orlando and most sane people can make that deduction.

Solstar: You act like we live in a sane country. LOL!

Clarence:  We want it to be, for the life of us, we really do. Things like this make us see otherwise.

JV: I’m disappointed that dude in Florida hasn’t even been questioned yet!

I’m SHOCKED that people would put on FaceBook that if you don’t know all the facts, you shouldn’t be sporting hoodies, but then putsout false info!  People are HILARIOUS TO ME!

Yes, a hoodie has been marked as “hood”, but regardless of what a hood looks like, you can’t follow/chase a kid, shoot him, and say “I was intimidated”.

Clarence: #CoSign

Solstar: I totally agree with the hoodie aspect because there is no justification for killing a kid in broad daylight, but this kid was racially profiled. That’s all I’m saying.

Clarence: Hoodies shouldn’t mean “I’m a suspect” like the unabomber. If it was like that, those athletes who train with hoodies should be shot; people who are cold should be shot; everyone that makes them should be shot.

Solstar: I think what everyone is missing is that we know that [hoodies] “shouldn’t be” a negative qualifier, but they are from a cultural perspective. It’s the perpetuation of the negative black male image that has been inscribed on the subconscious of white America based on biased news reports, music movies and even in some video games. It’s all over.

M.I.: No, I think we all get it; it just isn’t a valid excuse. Do we see Italians in black suits being killed because they look “suspiciously” like mafia members, or strange white men around parks being killed because they look “suspiciously” like pedophiles or serial killers? There are plenty of negative images portrayed in our media about all cultures and races but we seem to be the only ones getting killed over them. It’s strategic.

AP: This speaks to Solstar’s point. Bomani Jones is a sports writer and you can see him on ESPN.

Solstar: I don’t disagree with the validity, but it is the issue.

M.I.: I don’t think that’s the elephant in the room at all, it’s what everyone is talking about with this whole hoodie issue. For example:

Solstar: That’s my whole point: Racial profiling and perspectives here. You see what I’m saying. I know that killing this boy wasn’t right, but how in the heck did this dude get to the point recognizing Trayvon as a threat? That’s my introspective here. A societal perspective of race based on exploitive and subjective images is a powerful tool.

M.I.: The negative stereotypes and exploitive imagery never stopped. It’s part of the power structure. At any point where the collective majority sees those traditionally marginalized as equal to them the next step on their journey would be to question why they aren’t treated as such. So from slavery, to lynching, to blackploitation, to the war on drugs, to mainstream rap and movies, the constant stream into the collective consciousness is that “this race is dangerous and inferior.”

Solstar: And that’s where the hoodie aspect comes in. The problem in our culture is we EMBRACE the tomfoolery. We want to be hard and live life on the edge. That’s why I refuse to support any street black movie, young jeezy copy cats and all other forms of dysfunction. Where is the demand to say we are not like this?!! It’s especially hard when you see people who embrace those things we fight against to get paid. We have prostituted our culture and values in exchange of keeping the power of the few in control by living out their lives.


Louis Farrakhan

AP: It’s a wack excuse because so many are lazy, but we “sell-out” just to get some cash. We want to assimilate so much to be like the majority that we will do whatever we need in order to be seen on their same level. By doing so you sell your image, culture, history and your respect amongst the same people you want to be accepted by.  Vicious cycle!

Clarence: If he was that much or a threat, let the police handle it! Keep him there till they come and get him.

DC: Sounds like common sense and if sense was common then everyone would have it. No this dude wanted to prove a point.

Continue reading – Trayvon Martin Discussion Part 4 – Pop Culture

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